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	<title>Comments on: Mstar Customers on iProvo Lose Phone Service Because Mstar Didn&#8217;t Pay Their Bills</title>
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		<title>By: skoop</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2008/06/21/mstar-customers-on-iprovo-lose-phone-service-because-mstar-didnt-pay-their-bills/comment-page-1/#comment-5880</link>
		<dc:creator>skoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>capt,
  It&#039;s very easy to acquire customers on the Iprovo and UTOPIA networks if you can sell it for less than other carriers, which is what mstar does. 
  As for the comment:
 &quot;Where would both networks be without Mstar having spent millions marketing and installing on their network?&quot;. 
  The answer:  They would be in a better position financially.  3 major reasons why:
 1. The money they (UTOPIA &amp; Iprovo) fronted to get Fiber to the customers prem wouldn&#039;t have been lost (only years of the customer being on the network + actually getting paid by the Service Provider would make up for that cost)
 2. They wouldn&#039;t have to spend time and money trying to get mstar to pay them (accounting/collections/lawyer fees).
 3. They wouldn&#039;t have the bad publicity going around about mstar not paying their bills.

  All we ever hear about from IProvo (not as much UTOPIA...yet) is &quot;number of subscribers&quot;.  Well if you&#039;re not making money on every &quot;subscriber&quot; whoopidy-freaking-doo!  Bad business plan Cap!  Let&#039;s hope UTOPIA learns from IProvo&#039;s mistakes and figures out a way to get paid and last longer than 5 years before imploding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>capt,<br />
  It&#8217;s very easy to acquire customers on the Iprovo and UTOPIA networks if you can sell it for less than other carriers, which is what mstar does.<br />
  As for the comment:<br />
 &#8220;Where would both networks be without Mstar having spent millions marketing and installing on their network?&#8221;.<br />
  The answer:  They would be in a better position financially.  3 major reasons why:<br />
 1. The money they (UTOPIA &amp; Iprovo) fronted to get Fiber to the customers prem wouldn&#8217;t have been lost (only years of the customer being on the network + actually getting paid by the Service Provider would make up for that cost)<br />
 2. They wouldn&#8217;t have to spend time and money trying to get mstar to pay them (accounting/collections/lawyer fees).<br />
 3. They wouldn&#8217;t have the bad publicity going around about mstar not paying their bills.</p>
<p>  All we ever hear about from IProvo (not as much UTOPIA&#8230;yet) is &#8220;number of subscribers&#8221;.  Well if you&#8217;re not making money on every &#8220;subscriber&#8221; whoopidy-freaking-doo!  Bad business plan Cap!  Let&#8217;s hope UTOPIA learns from IProvo&#8217;s mistakes and figures out a way to get paid and last longer than 5 years before imploding.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt. Video</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2008/06/21/mstar-customers-on-iprovo-lose-phone-service-because-mstar-didnt-pay-their-bills/comment-page-1/#comment-5399</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt. Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Daily Herald reported that of the 10,245 residential customers on iProvo, NuVont had only 2100. 

This means that 80% of the homes in Provo connected to iProvo were Mstar homes!

I think enough numbers have been given in a variety of news stories that we can estimate the subs all service providers have.

It was noted in previous posts that Mstar was also the provider with the majority of customers on UTOPIA. The Daily Herald reporting that Mstar had 5000 customers on Utopia and NuVont had 1000 UTOPIA subs. I think UTOPIA reported at a Utah Taxpayer Association (a business organizations front) meeting that Mstar had 7000 customers. 

That would mean XMission would have about 1000 UTOPIA customers?

My point here is that Mstar appeared to have 76% of the subscribers on iProvo/UTOPIA.

It appears all other service providers combined have 24% of the customer.

So which company&#039;s have been spending on marketing and which are only picking the low hanging fruit? Where would both networks be without Mstar having spent millions marketing and installing on their network?

In addition to other problems (many mentioned on this forum) one big problem was they spent so much on sales, marketing and installations (labor/equipment) that they simply ran out of money. 

As I&#039;ve stated before it takes years to pay back up-front customer costs and a service provider needs very deep pockets to both be aggressive in sales and survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Daily Herald reported that of the 10,245 residential customers on iProvo, NuVont had only 2100. </p>
<p>This means that 80% of the homes in Provo connected to iProvo were Mstar homes!</p>
<p>I think enough numbers have been given in a variety of news stories that we can estimate the subs all service providers have.</p>
<p>It was noted in previous posts that Mstar was also the provider with the majority of customers on UTOPIA. The Daily Herald reporting that Mstar had 5000 customers on Utopia and NuVont had 1000 UTOPIA subs. I think UTOPIA reported at a Utah Taxpayer Association (a business organizations front) meeting that Mstar had 7000 customers. </p>
<p>That would mean XMission would have about 1000 UTOPIA customers?</p>
<p>My point here is that Mstar appeared to have 76% of the subscribers on iProvo/UTOPIA.</p>
<p>It appears all other service providers combined have 24% of the customer.</p>
<p>So which company&#8217;s have been spending on marketing and which are only picking the low hanging fruit? Where would both networks be without Mstar having spent millions marketing and installing on their network?</p>
<p>In addition to other problems (many mentioned on this forum) one big problem was they spent so much on sales, marketing and installations (labor/equipment) that they simply ran out of money. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve stated before it takes years to pay back up-front customer costs and a service provider needs very deep pockets to both be aggressive in sales and survive.</p>
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		<title>By: iLikediProvo</title>
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		<dc:creator>iLikediProvo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suspicious: Were you Mstar or Nuvont?  I was Nuvont, and I also have no dial tone this morning.  I&#039;ve been unable to ready Broadweave.  Please keep us posted if you hear anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suspicious: Were you Mstar or Nuvont?  I was Nuvont, and I also have no dial tone this morning.  I&#8217;ve been unable to ready Broadweave.  Please keep us posted if you hear anything.</p>
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		<title>By: suspicious</title>
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		<dc:creator>suspicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just opened a ticket -- BECAUSE I HAVE NO DIAL TONE THIS MORNING -- Broadweave is &quot;aware&quot; of the problem and their engineers are &quot;on their way in.&quot;  Stay tuned for more details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just opened a ticket &#8212; BECAUSE I HAVE NO DIAL TONE THIS MORNING &#8212; Broadweave is &#8220;aware&#8221; of the problem and their engineers are &#8220;on their way in.&#8221;  Stay tuned for more details.</p>
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		<title>By: snacktacular</title>
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		<dc:creator>snacktacular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suspicious;
Open a ticket with Broadweave.  They will see this issue through, on all accounts. 691 5800, or email provo@broadweave.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suspicious;<br />
Open a ticket with Broadweave.  They will see this issue through, on all accounts. 691 5800, or email <a href="mailto:provo@broadweave.com">provo@broadweave.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: suspicious</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2008/06/21/mstar-customers-on-iprovo-lose-phone-service-because-mstar-didnt-pay-their-bills/comment-page-1/#comment-5320</link>
		<dc:creator>suspicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My phone service was switched to Broadweave as part of the emergency move on June 19th.  While I commend Broadweave on the technical move itself (my move was completely transparent), I&#039;ve had serious issues with the service quality since the move.  VoIP services have become mainstream enough that these issues should no longer be issues for providers.  I&#039;m not sure whether my service was moved to Broadweave&#039;s Broadsoft switch at Traverse Mountain, or Veracity&#039;s Sonus switch in Provo -- I suspect for ease and convenience, customers were moved to the Veracity switch (which has been known to have significant and severe issues -- many yet unresolved -- on both the UTOPIA  and iProvo networks).   

So, here are the complaints:

1)  Near-end and far end audio loss.  Frequently, it sounds like I&#039;m speaking to someone on a cell phone, although I&#039;m not.  This is simple packet loss issue.
2)  Far-end random electronic audio noise.  I&#039;ve had quite a few callers complain of hearing electronic sounds and noises on their end, although I do not hear them on my side.
4)  Fax machine barely works now.  It took me three attempts to send a 6-page fax.  When it did go through, it took 15 minutes to transmit.  Never had this problem with my previous service!

So much for Broadweave improving the quality of my phone service!  Frankly, my previous phone service could not have been much improved.  NGT/MStar was nearly flawless (with the exception of a few voicemail issues).  If Broadweave can&#039;t get these issues resolved, I&#039;ll probably be going back to Vonage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My phone service was switched to Broadweave as part of the emergency move on June 19th.  While I commend Broadweave on the technical move itself (my move was completely transparent), I&#8217;ve had serious issues with the service quality since the move.  VoIP services have become mainstream enough that these issues should no longer be issues for providers.  I&#8217;m not sure whether my service was moved to Broadweave&#8217;s Broadsoft switch at Traverse Mountain, or Veracity&#8217;s Sonus switch in Provo &#8212; I suspect for ease and convenience, customers were moved to the Veracity switch (which has been known to have significant and severe issues &#8212; many yet unresolved &#8212; on both the UTOPIA  and iProvo networks).   </p>
<p>So, here are the complaints:</p>
<p>1)  Near-end and far end audio loss.  Frequently, it sounds like I&#8217;m speaking to someone on a cell phone, although I&#8217;m not.  This is simple packet loss issue.<br />
2)  Far-end random electronic audio noise.  I&#8217;ve had quite a few callers complain of hearing electronic sounds and noises on their end, although I do not hear them on my side.<br />
4)  Fax machine barely works now.  It took me three attempts to send a 6-page fax.  When it did go through, it took 15 minutes to transmit.  Never had this problem with my previous service!</p>
<p>So much for Broadweave improving the quality of my phone service!  Frankly, my previous phone service could not have been much improved.  NGT/MStar was nearly flawless (with the exception of a few voicemail issues).  If Broadweave can&#8217;t get these issues resolved, I&#8217;ll probably be going back to Vonage.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2008/06/21/mstar-customers-on-iprovo-lose-phone-service-because-mstar-didnt-pay-their-bills/comment-page-1/#comment-5296</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, so the error is &quot;HTTP Error 403: Forbidden

I select details and it gives me:
Error 403

We&#039;re sorry, but we could not fullfill your request for /wp-comments-post.php on this server.

You do not have permission to access this server.  Before trying again, close your browswer, run anti-virus and anti-spyware software and remove any viruses and spyware from your computer.

Your technical support key is: d809-fa25-b40c-8ddc

You can use this key to fix this problem yourself.  (this links to http://www.ioerror.us/bb2-support-key?key=d809-fa25-b40c-8ddc

If you are unable to fix the problem yourself, please contact jesse at freeutopia.org and be sure to provide the technical support key shown above.




Anyhow, it almost seems as though wp-comments-post.php has a problem, but yet I cant duplicate it in a browser, only my mobile device.

Not a big deal - but I am not sure if you have other mobile users experiencing the same problem.  I can live without being able to post from my phone ;)

Feel free to delete this extra jibberish from this thread - I didnt mean to hijack the blog :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, so the error is &#8220;HTTP Error 403: Forbidden</p>
<p>I select details and it gives me:<br />
Error 403</p>
<p>We&#8217;re sorry, but we could not fullfill your request for /wp-comments-post.php on this server.</p>
<p>You do not have permission to access this server.  Before trying again, close your browswer, run anti-virus and anti-spyware software and remove any viruses and spyware from your computer.</p>
<p>Your technical support key is: d809-fa25-b40c-8ddc</p>
<p>You can use this key to fix this problem yourself.  (this links to <a href="http://www.ioerror.us/bb2-support-key?key=d809-fa25-b40c-8ddc" rel="nofollow">http://www.ioerror.us/bb2-support-key?key=d809-fa25-b40c-8ddc</a></p>
<p>If you are unable to fix the problem yourself, please contact jesse at freeutopia.org and be sure to provide the technical support key shown above.</p>
<p>Anyhow, it almost seems as though wp-comments-post.php has a problem, but yet I cant duplicate it in a browser, only my mobile device.</p>
<p>Not a big deal &#8211; but I am not sure if you have other mobile users experiencing the same problem.  I can live without being able to post from my phone <img src='http://www.freeutopia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Feel free to delete this extra jibberish from this thread &#8211; I didnt mean to hijack the blog <img src='http://www.freeutopia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 403 usually means that either the Bad Behavior or http:BL plugins kicked in for suspicious behavior. Do you get anything more detailed? That would help me with troubleshooting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 403 usually means that either the Bad Behavior or http:BL plugins kicked in for suspicious behavior. Do you get anything more detailed? That would help me with troubleshooting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  When I try to post to this blog using a mobile device - I get a 403 error (permission denied).  Not sure whats up with that :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  When I try to post to this blog using a mobile device &#8211; I get a 403 error (permission denied).  Not sure whats up with that <img src='http://www.freeutopia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr Anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please dont get me wrong.  My comments about MStar are not directed at the folks answering the phones.  I have nothing but the utmost sympathy for those folks answering the phones, it is a thankless job.

My comments were directed to upper MStar management, the &quot;suites&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please dont get me wrong.  My comments about MStar are not directed at the folks answering the phones.  I have nothing but the utmost sympathy for those folks answering the phones, it is a thankless job.</p>
<p>My comments were directed to upper MStar management, the &#8220;suites&#8221;.</p>
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