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	<title>Comments on: Egg on MY Face: UTOPIA is likely to ask for pledges after all</title>
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		<title>By: Capt. Video</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2009/06/18/egg-on-my-face-utopia-is-likely-to-ask-for-pledges-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-10020</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt. Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say the Board Members should keep not only the rest of the city government but the citizens informed too!

That is where the blackout seems to be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say the Board Members should keep not only the rest of the city government but the citizens informed too!</p>
<p>That is where the blackout seems to be!</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2009/06/18/egg-on-my-face-utopia-is-likely-to-ask-for-pledges-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-10013</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capt: The problem is that UTOPIA depended on the board member from each city to keep the rest of the city government in the loop. Most of them, between day jobs and the demands of their elected or appointed positions, didn&#039;t find the time to fully brief them. UTOPIA has told me that they&#039;ve taken steps to try and involve more people from the member cities to try and avoid that in the future, but it is ultimately the city&#039;s responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capt: The problem is that UTOPIA depended on the board member from each city to keep the rest of the city government in the loop. Most of them, between day jobs and the demands of their elected or appointed positions, didn&#8217;t find the time to fully brief them. UTOPIA has told me that they&#8217;ve taken steps to try and involve more people from the member cities to try and avoid that in the future, but it is ultimately the city&#8217;s responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt. Video</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2009/06/18/egg-on-my-face-utopia-is-likely-to-ask-for-pledges-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-10004</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt. Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actions taken by Comcast &amp; Qwest are very bad, but legal and understandable...they do not care about the citizens but care only about their profits.

It&#039;s more shameful that they were able to get the legislative body to support them and defend them and NOT work for the citizens they represent.

I&#039;m not sure UTOPIA &quot;mislead&quot; people as much as failing to come forward with information that could have (and should have) provided. I don&#039;t think UTOPIA actually lied about anything?

I think the cities need representatives (board members) that will demand to see the business plan and that are smart enough to drill down on the data, knowing what questions to ask to not be &quot;surprised&quot; by what happens. Either the cities don&#039;t have that representation now, or they too are keeping &quot;mum&quot; about what citizens can expect, next year and in the next few years and beyond.

Is there really a reasonable business plan that shows UTOPIA not subsidized by the cities? If not, let&#039;s allow the cities to make long term plans to support them or look for a buyer to cut their loses while the system is still ahead of Comcast. I think the network value goes down as Comcast improves their own network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actions taken by Comcast &amp; Qwest are very bad, but legal and understandable&#8230;they do not care about the citizens but care only about their profits.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more shameful that they were able to get the legislative body to support them and defend them and NOT work for the citizens they represent.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure UTOPIA &#8220;mislead&#8221; people as much as failing to come forward with information that could have (and should have) provided. I don&#8217;t think UTOPIA actually lied about anything?</p>
<p>I think the cities need representatives (board members) that will demand to see the business plan and that are smart enough to drill down on the data, knowing what questions to ask to not be &#8220;surprised&#8221; by what happens. Either the cities don&#8217;t have that representation now, or they too are keeping &#8220;mum&#8221; about what citizens can expect, next year and in the next few years and beyond.</p>
<p>Is there really a reasonable business plan that shows UTOPIA not subsidized by the cities? If not, let&#8217;s allow the cities to make long term plans to support them or look for a buyer to cut their loses while the system is still ahead of Comcast. I think the network value goes down as Comcast improves their own network.</p>
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		<title>By: u235sentinel</title>
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		<dc:creator>u235sentinel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t feel sheepish or with egg on my face.  Though when I am lied to I tend to get really angry and things happen (no I don&#039;t turn green or anything ::grinz::).

Utopia should be ashamed of themselves for misleading people.  I also feel our government should also be ashamed as well.  They bear some measure of responsibility as well as other&#039;s like Qwest or Concast.  Tying these guys up so they waste resources on lawsuits (for example) is wrong.

Goes to show you that the entry level is very high in this space.  No wonder America isn&#039;t even in the top 10 in the world anymore.  Pity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t feel sheepish or with egg on my face.  Though when I am lied to I tend to get really angry and things happen (no I don&#8217;t turn green or anything ::grinz::).</p>
<p>Utopia should be ashamed of themselves for misleading people.  I also feel our government should also be ashamed as well.  They bear some measure of responsibility as well as other&#8217;s like Qwest or Concast.  Tying these guys up so they waste resources on lawsuits (for example) is wrong.</p>
<p>Goes to show you that the entry level is very high in this space.  No wonder America isn&#8217;t even in the top 10 in the world anymore.  Pity</p>
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		<title>By: Capt. Video</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2009/06/18/egg-on-my-face-utopia-is-likely-to-ask-for-pledges-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-9899</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt. Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe this one is fully out yet.

The range of $50k to $300k is rather broad and we don&#039;t know when the draw might begin or how much operating revenue they have available to contribute to the payment...or will the cities be called upon to make the full payment with nothing coming from UTOPIA&#039;s operating revenue?

Some of those answers might give us a clue as to how much the cities should expect to pay once the full and regular bond payments become due in 2010.

I think those payments were to be about $1.3 to $1.6 million? Has that amount changed if their interest rate is variable?
At today rate, how much should the bond payments be?

UTOPIA has many questions to answer and I would expect (based upon past performance) they will do everything possible to keep the answers a secret. Those additional skeletons will likely have to be painfully extracted by using GRAMA request, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe this one is fully out yet.</p>
<p>The range of $50k to $300k is rather broad and we don&#8217;t know when the draw might begin or how much operating revenue they have available to contribute to the payment&#8230;or will the cities be called upon to make the full payment with nothing coming from UTOPIA&#8217;s operating revenue?</p>
<p>Some of those answers might give us a clue as to how much the cities should expect to pay once the full and regular bond payments become due in 2010.</p>
<p>I think those payments were to be about $1.3 to $1.6 million? Has that amount changed if their interest rate is variable?<br />
At today rate, how much should the bond payments be?</p>
<p>UTOPIA has many questions to answer and I would expect (based upon past performance) they will do everything possible to keep the answers a secret. Those additional skeletons will likely have to be painfully extracted by using GRAMA request, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Stench</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many other skeleton&#039;s they have in the closet?  One always seems to be coming out.... unfortunately.

Whats next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many other skeleton&#8217;s they have in the closet?  One always seems to be coming out&#8230;. unfortunately.</p>
<p>Whats next?</p>
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		<title>By: Capt. Video</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2009/06/18/egg-on-my-face-utopia-is-likely-to-ask-for-pledges-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-9893</link>
		<dc:creator>Capt. Video</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly believe the shame is UTOPIA&#039;s and not yours. As I&#039;m suggested on may posts over the past year or more, UTOPIA has an obligation to the PUBLIC to be much more open and forthcoming with information.

It is good to hear that UTOPIA is covering operating costs (hopefully) with subscriber revenues (and not interest on unused bond proceeds, etc.). This makes me feel much better about the current management team.

But I would still call for replacing them IF they continue to withhold information and require filing GRAMA requests to get items that should be public like their by-laws and their budget (which becomes public when they file it with the State anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly believe the shame is UTOPIA&#8217;s and not yours. As I&#8217;m suggested on may posts over the past year or more, UTOPIA has an obligation to the PUBLIC to be much more open and forthcoming with information.</p>
<p>It is good to hear that UTOPIA is covering operating costs (hopefully) with subscriber revenues (and not interest on unused bond proceeds, etc.). This makes me feel much better about the current management team.</p>
<p>But I would still call for replacing them IF they continue to withhold information and require filing GRAMA requests to get items that should be public like their by-laws and their budget (which becomes public when they file it with the State anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: luminous</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2009/06/18/egg-on-my-face-utopia-is-likely-to-ask-for-pledges-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-9890</link>
		<dc:creator>luminous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow just wow, well I feel sheepish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow just wow, well I feel sheepish!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.freeutopia.org/2009/06/18/egg-on-my-face-utopia-is-likely-to-ask-for-pledges-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-9882</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t surprise me, the picture for UTOPIA always looked pretty bleak financially, largely, I believe due to mismanagement of the early money.  

However, the principle of UTOPIA is still one worth fighting for since it is not a market that I believe can be adequately serviced when left to private industry alone, the barriers to entry (cost) are too high to allow for the kind of robust competition that is what makes free markets special.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t surprise me, the picture for UTOPIA always looked pretty bleak financially, largely, I believe due to mismanagement of the early money.  </p>
<p>However, the principle of UTOPIA is still one worth fighting for since it is not a market that I believe can be adequately serviced when left to private industry alone, the barriers to entry (cost) are too high to allow for the kind of robust competition that is what makes free markets special.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - if you do a good job, you will make mistakes from time to time.  The important thing is to fess up and explain the situation - which you have already done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; if you do a good job, you will make mistakes from time to time.  The important thing is to fess up and explain the situation &#8211; which you have already done.</p>
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